Meet Kat and Leo, a loving couple who’ve turned their passion for swinging into an award-winning podcast.
If the swinging lifestyle ever needed official ambassadors, it could do a lot worse than Kat and Leo. The scrumptious married couple may not reveal everything to their fans (including their faces, location or age), but on their Vanilla Swingers podcast and website (VanillaSwingers.com), they enthusiastically tout the idea that everyone should join the fuckin’ fray.
“If I could talk to people who don’t know anything about lifestyle, I’d tell them it’s a cheat code for life,” Leo enthuses. “It’s like putting your tongue on a car battery.”
Kat eagerly follows up. “And in the beginning it could be the littlest thing, like you’re having sex with your husband and someone else even lightly touches you, but it’s like a white-hot grease fire and keeps you coming back for more,” she elaborates.
Speaking of coming back for more, the 80 (and counting) episodes of the Vanilla Swingers podcast have been downloaded nearly two million times by social media followers numbering in the tens of thousands. The show is regularly in the top five of all sexuality podcasts, up there with all-time heavyweights like Dan Savage’s Savage Love, and last year it was named by Adult Star Night as ASN’s Best Entertainment Podcast of 2025. This year also saw Vanilla Swingers nominated for an AVN Fan Award in the Favorite Adult Podcast category.
The irony of all their success is that Kat and Leo have been in the podcast game for a mere two years. Even more extraordinarily, they started swinging—or, really, soft swinging—just six months before that.
“If you’d told us five years ago that we’d be going to the Porn Oscars, or more so that we’d be nominated for something there, I’d have laughed forever,” Kat marvels.
